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> <channel><title>Comments on: Ancient Wisdom, Modern relevance &#8211; Guru</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/</link> <description>You. Me. We.</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:13:43 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Ambi</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-17254</link> <dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:22:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-17254</guid> <description>Mr. Suresh Rao:It is unthinkable that I can even speak at least this minimal amount about the Gita or any spiritual topic without the grace of my teachers.Head of Iskcon? Can you clarify? You are referring to Srila Prabhupada?You knowing your gotra, caste and what not has NOTHING TO DO with identifying the sampradaya you belong to... and are NOT prerequisites. And you did not mention what response you got!As to your other ideas like a true Guru has no need to read any spiritual texts, I am not sure from where you got such a conception. Yes, by the mercy of Lord Krishna, there have been people who have been illiterate who are celebrated as exalted devotees. But your idea is the root cause why so many pseudo-spiritualists exist now... &quot;no need for any sastra or books, just look in to yourself because the truth is in you&quot;. True, truth is in us... as Paramatma, but it easily makes people misidentify themselves as God.&quot;Scriptures are just some books which lie around but they can never satiate a persons quest without the express permission from God.&quot;So if someone says that reading scriptures is boring, is it because &quot;God&quot; doesn&#039;t want him to?Well, one can use a holy book as seat or pillow (and reap the karma for it), but bottom-line is this: I read the scriptures (whatever little it was) because my Guru told me to under his guidance. And his Guru told him to... and so on. THAT is sampradaya. And that is how it becomes authoritative, since the chain of teachers goes all the way to Lord Krishna himself, who says this in the Gita:BG 16.23: He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.BG 16.24: One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Suresh Rao:</p><p>It is unthinkable that I can even speak at least this minimal amount about the Gita or any spiritual topic without the grace of my teachers.</p><p>Head of Iskcon? Can you clarify? You are referring to Srila Prabhupada?</p><p>You knowing your gotra, caste and what not has NOTHING TO DO with identifying the sampradaya you belong to&#8230; and are NOT prerequisites. And you did not mention what response you got!</p><p>As to your other ideas like a true Guru has no need to read any spiritual texts, I am not sure from where you got such a conception. Yes, by the mercy of Lord Krishna, there have been people who have been illiterate who are celebrated as exalted devotees. But your idea is the root cause why so many pseudo-spiritualists exist now&#8230; &#8220;no need for any sastra or books, just look in to yourself because the truth is in you&#8221;. True, truth is in us&#8230; as Paramatma, but it easily makes people misidentify themselves as God.</p><p>&#8220;Scriptures are just some books which lie around but they can never satiate a persons quest without the express permission from God.&#8221;</p><p>So if someone says that reading scriptures is boring, is it because &#8220;God&#8221; doesn&#8217;t want him to?</p><p>Well, one can use a holy book as seat or pillow (and reap the karma for it), but bottom-line is this: I read the scriptures (whatever little it was) because my Guru told me to under his guidance. And his Guru told him to&#8230; and so on. THAT is sampradaya. And that is how it becomes authoritative, since the chain of teachers goes all the way to Lord Krishna himself, who says this in the Gita:</p><p>BG 16.23: He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.</p><p>BG 16.24: One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Suresh Rao</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-15569</link> <dc:creator>Suresh Rao</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:48:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-15569</guid> <description>Dear Ambi,
You have written a good article and I was wondering if you too have a Guru who guides you in this spiritual.The true Guru will find a true aspirant and he/she will only unveil the layers of Maya that are covering him. The Guru is just like a sign post which will show you the path. I was once asked by the head of Iskcon which sampradaya I belonged to and I answered him that I don&#039;t even know my gotra, caste or any such tags so how can I say that! One more explanation here- Sometimes a true Guru has no need to read any spiritual texts or has read them before. He can expound on such topics without any physical exposure to them also. The flow of words happens by the grace of Lord or the Lord Himself speaks through that body. Scriptures are just some books which lie around but they can never satiate a persons quest without the express permission from God.Similarly a person who does not believe in a holy book can use it as a seat or paper weight also. In this world of God there exists FSM and Invisible Pink Unicorns too. Well, after all it is His creation, right?Any other taking the onus of creating is taking over His domain!I enjoyed your articles and hope you keep on writing such good stuff. God bless you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ambi,<br
/> You have written a good article and I was wondering if you too have a Guru who guides you in this spiritual.The true Guru will find a true aspirant and he/she will only unveil the layers of Maya that are covering him. The Guru is just like a sign post which will show you the path. I was once asked by the head of Iskcon which sampradaya I belonged to and I answered him that I don&#8217;t even know my gotra, caste or any such tags so how can I say that! One more explanation here- Sometimes a true Guru has no need to read any spiritual texts or has read them before. He can expound on such topics without any physical exposure to them also. The flow of words happens by the grace of Lord or the Lord Himself speaks through that body. Scriptures are just some books which lie around but they can never satiate a persons quest without the express permission from God.Similarly a person who does not believe in a holy book can use it as a seat or paper weight also. In this world of God there exists FSM and Invisible Pink Unicorns too. Well, after all it is His creation, right?Any other taking the onus of creating is taking over His domain!I enjoyed your articles and hope you keep on writing such good stuff. God bless you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ancient Wisdom, Modern relevance &#8211; Perfection of Yoga &#124; Ginger Chai</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2885</link> <dc:creator>Ancient Wisdom, Modern relevance &#8211; Perfection of Yoga &#124; Ginger Chai</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:50:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2885</guid> <description>[...] my last article, I had addressed the details on who can be a Guru and how to identify a bonafide spiritual master. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my last article, I had addressed the details on who can be a Guru and how to identify a bonafide spiritual master. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ambi</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2601</link> <dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:46:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2601</guid> <description>As revealed through Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatam, that IS his original form.Read through chapter 11, and read this too... http://vedabase.net/bg/9/11/en.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As revealed through Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatam, that IS his original form.</p><p>Read through chapter 11, and read this too&#8230; <a
href="http://vedabase.net/bg/9/11/en" rel="nofollow">http://vedabase.net/bg/9/11/en</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ambi</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2600</link> <dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:39:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2600</guid> <description>I am not a member of ISKCON, have never been a member... but I do follow the teachings of the sampradaya they descend from. The teachings of that sampradaya have been very nicely compiled in to several critical books by their Founder-Acharya, Srila Prabhupada.I request you to read through &quot;Bhagavad Gita AS It Is&quot;... right from the first page to the last one.You can find it online... at http://vedabase.net/bg/en and http://www.krishnamedia.org/e-books/Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is.pdf.But I strongly suggest that you get a hard copy of the book so that you need not strain your eyes by sitting in front of the computer for reading the entire book.If that would be too heavy for you (in terms of the philosophy :) ), you can read through any of the other books from the link http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/vedicsociety/ebooks.html. I specifically recommend starting of with the title &quot;Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a member of ISKCON, have never been a member&#8230; but I do follow the teachings of the sampradaya they descend from. The teachings of that sampradaya have been very nicely compiled in to several critical books by their Founder-Acharya, Srila Prabhupada.</p><p>I request you to read through &#8220;Bhagavad Gita AS It Is&#8221;&#8230; right from the first page to the last one.</p><p>You can find it online&#8230; at <a
href="http://vedabase.net/bg/en" rel="nofollow">http://vedabase.net/bg/en</a> and <a
href="http://www.krishnamedia.org/e-books/Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.krishnamedia.org/e-books/Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is.pdf</a>.</p><p>But I strongly suggest that you get a hard copy of the book so that you need not strain your eyes by sitting in front of the computer for reading the entire book.</p><p>If that would be too heavy for you (in terms of the philosophy <img
src='http://cdn.gingerchai.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), you can read through any of the other books from the link <a
href="http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/vedicsociety/ebooks.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/vedicsociety/ebooks.html</a>. I specifically recommend starting of with the title &#8220;Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Murugan</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2599</link> <dc:creator>Murugan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:36:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2599</guid> <description>Thanks for your explanation. Krishna as I know is a human form of God. How is the god in original form be.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your explanation. Krishna as I know is a human form of God. How is the god in original form be.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ambi</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2598</link> <dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:28:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2598</guid> <description>Self-realization is a goal, but it&#039;s not the end.A true siddha would definitely knows some aspect of the absolute truth and surely has some mystical powers. They would be and are worthy of everyone&#039;s respect. But I don&#039;t think that would qualify them as, or they would be willing to be, an &#039;Acharya&#039;.&quot;...but are not part of Krishna Consiousness. They preached Yoga and other means of self-realization. How do we really treat them? Are they qualified gurus?&quot;When I say Krishna, I mean and refer to &#039;God&#039;, who, by definition, can only be &#039;one&#039; and is NOT some vague, impersonal, bright light up somewhere there which manifested in human form. This is a point of friction for many but this is not a conclusion made by my own speculation. So, feel free to disagree and debate with me if you feel otherwise.In any case, any path or technique or Guru would and must help a person to come to knowledge about one&#039;s true relationship with the Supreme Lord and come to full consciousness of the Supreme Lord (and hence the word &#039;Krishna Consciousness&#039;, please don&#039;t make it out to be some esoteric sounding stuff based on speculation).If not, then the path or Guru cannot be bonafide.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-realization is a goal, but it&#8217;s not the end.</p><p>A true siddha would definitely knows some aspect of the absolute truth and surely has some mystical powers. They would be and are worthy of everyone&#8217;s respect. But I don&#8217;t think that would qualify them as, or they would be willing to be, an &#8216;Acharya&#8217;.</p><p>&#8220;&#8230;but are not part of Krishna Consiousness. They preached Yoga and other means of self-realization. How do we really treat them? Are they qualified gurus?&#8221;</p><p>When I say Krishna, I mean and refer to &#8216;God&#8217;, who, by definition, can only be &#8216;one&#8217; and is NOT some vague, impersonal, bright light up somewhere there which manifested in human form. This is a point of friction for many but this is not a conclusion made by my own speculation. So, feel free to disagree and debate with me if you feel otherwise.</p><p>In any case, any path or technique or Guru would and must help a person to come to knowledge about one&#8217;s true relationship with the Supreme Lord and come to full consciousness of the Supreme Lord (and hence the word &#8216;Krishna Consciousness&#8217;, please don&#8217;t make it out to be some esoteric sounding stuff based on speculation).</p><p>If not, then the path or Guru cannot be bonafide.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Murugan</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2581</link> <dc:creator>Murugan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:59:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2581</guid> <description>One more thing I wanted to ask is if I need to read some books from ISKCON, which one you will recomend first. Give me some books in order of the reading</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing I wanted to ask is if I need to read some books from ISKCON, which one you will recomend first. Give me some books in order of the reading</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Murugan</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2576</link> <dc:creator>Murugan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:24:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2576</guid> <description>I am not sure if I even qualify to ask a question here. Most of you looks like have tremendous knowledge. I landed up in this site because it was discussing some topics on Vethathiri. I came to know about Vethathiri through one of my uncle. I liked it more because it had some simple exercises. I am not yet into spirituality. But I have a question here. Forgive me if the question is stupid. Here we are talking about whom to accept as guru. There are lot of Sidhas whom has definitely learned through their gurus but are not part of Krishna Consiousness. They preached Yoga and other means of self-realization. How do we really treat them? Are they qualified gurus?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if I even qualify to ask a question here. Most of you looks like have tremendous knowledge. I landed up in this site because it was discussing some topics on Vethathiri. I came to know about Vethathiri through one of my uncle. I liked it more because it had some simple exercises. I am not yet into spirituality. But I have a question here. Forgive me if the question is stupid. Here we are talking about whom to accept as guru. There are lot of Sidhas whom has definitely learned through their gurus but are not part of Krishna Consiousness. They preached Yoga and other means of self-realization. How do we really treat them? Are they qualified gurus?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ambi</title><link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-2483</link> <dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:38:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/11/16/how-to-identify-a-guru/#comment-2483</guid> <description>&quot;It is true that standard of life of the people has improved;&quot;Standard of living is a funny concept. Here&#039;s my definition of it. It is a measure used by well-off people to see how well-off they are now compared to the past and compared to people who are below that standard.I am just ranting, ain&#039;t I? ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is true that standard of life of the people has improved;&#8221;</p><p>Standard of living is a funny concept. Here&#8217;s my definition of it. It is a measure used by well-off people to see how well-off they are now compared to the past and compared to people who are below that standard.</p><p>I am just ranting, ain&#8217;t I? <img
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