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	<title>Comments on: Understanding the concept of God- Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Ambi</title>
		<link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/08/20/understanding-the-concept-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lakshmi Rajan:

Knowing the exposure level will allow me to put forth the details at such a level, as it was explained to me, to the best of my ability. That is all. 

So, if you would please just answer this question, I will know how to start off:

&quot;Who are you?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lakshmi Rajan:</p>
<p>Knowing the exposure level will allow me to put forth the details at such a level, as it was explained to me, to the best of my ability. That is all. </p>
<p>So, if you would please just answer this question, I will know how to start off:</p>
<p>&#8220;Who are you?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lakshmi Rajan</title>
		<link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/08/20/understanding-the-concept-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-635</link>
		<dc:creator>Lakshmi Rajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Ambi&lt;/b&gt;:
I would definitely look forward to your view.

and its not the question of what my exposure to the vedic scriptures. I have a fair idea to comprehend things , even otherwise , since this site is observed by many readers , you could always provide your views and analysis with reference to vedic scriptures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Ambi</b>:<br />
I would definitely look forward to your view.</p>
<p>and its not the question of what my exposure to the vedic scriptures. I have a fair idea to comprehend things , even otherwise , since this site is observed by many readers , you could always provide your views and analysis with reference to vedic scriptures.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambi</title>
		<link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/08/20/understanding-the-concept-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LR: 

I have already shared my views. If you want me to substantiate, that would take up a whole lot of time and writing space here... I will probably start putting out an article on my blog (I have already provided the link to this discussion as a post).

But since you wish to analyze, what is your exposure to the vedic scriptures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR: </p>
<p>I have already shared my views. If you want me to substantiate, that would take up a whole lot of time and writing space here&#8230; I will probably start putting out an article on my blog (I have already provided the link to this discussion as a post).</p>
<p>But since you wish to analyze, what is your exposure to the vedic scriptures?</p>
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		<title>By: Lakshmi Rajan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lakshmi Rajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Ambi&lt;/b&gt;:
What is the use of quoting ? It will always be nice to know another viewpoint ? so you can share your views. It would definitely make a good analysis. I for sure would like you substantiate with your viewpoints with references from vedas.

See agreeing and disagreeing is part of a discussion. So you can put forward your analysis with references , I would appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Ambi</b>:<br />
What is the use of quoting ? It will always be nice to know another viewpoint ? so you can share your views. It would definitely make a good analysis. I for sure would like you substantiate with your viewpoints with references from vedas.</p>
<p>See agreeing and disagreeing is part of a discussion. So you can put forward your analysis with references , I would appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LR: 

&quot;Theoritically a third person can always come n argue how is vedas substantiated ? So how do one substantiate vedas ? or even how do one substantiate even the existence of God?&quot;

I did expect this. If one does not believe in vedas as an authority, no matter what I quote, there will never be a concurrence with that person on any issue. Also, if the other person does not have familiarity in the vedas, as RC has accepted, what is the use of quoting scriptures? 

@RC:

Ma&#039;am, you do not need to be a expert scholar on the scriptures to be able to understand the essence of what is said in them. That is why one needs a Guru. 

It is said that based on our nature, certain things appeal to us and certain things don&#039;t. It is not for me to pass judgment on what you are doing is correct or not... but what is true is that it is only by your desire and faith that you have chosen your Gurus and the spiritual line you try to follow. 

May your faith serve you well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LR: </p>
<p>&#8220;Theoritically a third person can always come n argue how is vedas substantiated ? So how do one substantiate vedas ? or even how do one substantiate even the existence of God?&#8221;</p>
<p>I did expect this. If one does not believe in vedas as an authority, no matter what I quote, there will never be a concurrence with that person on any issue. Also, if the other person does not have familiarity in the vedas, as RC has accepted, what is the use of quoting scriptures? </p>
<p>@RC:</p>
<p>Ma&#8217;am, you do not need to be a expert scholar on the scriptures to be able to understand the essence of what is said in them. That is why one needs a Guru. </p>
<p>It is said that based on our nature, certain things appeal to us and certain things don&#8217;t. It is not for me to pass judgment on what you are doing is correct or not&#8230; but what is true is that it is only by your desire and faith that you have chosen your Gurus and the spiritual line you try to follow. </p>
<p>May your faith serve you well.</p>
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		<title>By: Radhachandran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radhachandran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Ambi&lt;/b&gt;:
Yes Ambi , i accept that i haven&#039;t read Vedic scriptures &amp; one thing that is true is, that if any words from any enlightened master comes it is Vedic scriptures.So to me whatever my guru has said is vedas.
 With that in mind &amp; with the experiences I had in meditation i&#039;m sharing it.

Following a path of any guru if it raises one spiritually is what one needs.That way i &#039;m lucky to get many gurus who have lifted me up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Ambi</b>:<br />
Yes Ambi , i accept that i haven&#8217;t read Vedic scriptures &amp; one thing that is true is, that if any words from any enlightened master comes it is Vedic scriptures.So to me whatever my guru has said is vedas.<br />
 With that in mind &amp; with the experiences I had in meditation i&#8217;m sharing it.</p>
<p>Following a path of any guru if it raises one spiritually is what one needs.That way i &#8216;m lucky to get many gurus who have lifted me up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lakshmi Rajan</title>
		<link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/08/20/understanding-the-concept-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Lakshmi Rajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Ambi&lt;/b&gt;:
You are welcome to be frank in your opinion. Since you are &#039;bent&#039; on your opinion and quoting reference from vedas. How do you substantiate your view points ? You disagree with RC ? Fine enough. Can you substantiate and argue with your points of disagreement without just simply disagreeing ? Can you quote from vedas for your argument ? Theoritically a third person can always come n argue how is vedas substantiated ? So how do one substantiate vedas ? or even how do one substantiate even the existence of God ?

So what comes in substantiating each one&#039;s understanding is his or her own experience with truth. The author of this series has arrived at her concpets based on her experience with her truth which she is sharing with world. She is not forcing anyone to accept that It is THE truth and Only truth anywhere. It is her understanding of the concept of God from her experiences in her spiritual journey. 

If you are &#039;bend&#039; on countering it or disgreeing it , you can feel free to but do substantiate your view points with the same references that you are bend upon disagreeing with RC. This article is based on the experiences of the author and what she has journeyed in her quest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Ambi</b>:<br />
You are welcome to be frank in your opinion. Since you are &#8216;bent&#8217; on your opinion and quoting reference from vedas. How do you substantiate your view points ? You disagree with RC ? Fine enough. Can you substantiate and argue with your points of disagreement without just simply disagreeing ? Can you quote from vedas for your argument ? Theoritically a third person can always come n argue how is vedas substantiated ? So how do one substantiate vedas ? or even how do one substantiate even the existence of God ?</p>
<p>So what comes in substantiating each one&#8217;s understanding is his or her own experience with truth. The author of this series has arrived at her concpets based on her experience with her truth which she is sharing with world. She is not forcing anyone to accept that It is THE truth and Only truth anywhere. It is her understanding of the concept of God from her experiences in her spiritual journey. </p>
<p>If you are &#8216;bend&#8217; on countering it or disgreeing it , you can feel free to but do substantiate your view points with the same references that you are bend upon disagreeing with RC. This article is based on the experiences of the author and what she has journeyed in her quest.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LR: 

It is not a matter of whether I agree with RC or not. And I don&#039;t think I came across as being disrespectful of their views. I am merely being frank in my opinion.

It is merely that I wished to know how RC&#039;s statements are substantiated. I am &#039;bent&#039; on this because I consider spirituality to be an exact discipline which has no room for sentimental attachment or blind reverence or a &#039;do-as-you-please&#039; marathon.

Anyway, people can and do have their own set of beliefs but when it posted in a public forum, such as this blog, one has to be able to defend their standpoint!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR: </p>
<p>It is not a matter of whether I agree with RC or not. And I don&#8217;t think I came across as being disrespectful of their views. I am merely being frank in my opinion.</p>
<p>It is merely that I wished to know how RC&#8217;s statements are substantiated. I am &#8216;bent&#8217; on this because I consider spirituality to be an exact discipline which has no room for sentimental attachment or blind reverence or a &#8216;do-as-you-please&#8217; marathon.</p>
<p>Anyway, people can and do have their own set of beliefs but when it posted in a public forum, such as this blog, one has to be able to defend their standpoint!</p>
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		<title>By: Lakshmi Rajan</title>
		<link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/08/20/understanding-the-concept-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>Lakshmi Rajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Ambi&lt;/b&gt;:
I don&#039;t think any one was judgemental here. I did mention one can agree to disagree and also mentioned in one my earlier comments that one&#039;s analysis of the world can be different from another. So there is no question of anybody asking you to agree with the concepts mentioned here.

The beauty of Hinduism is it does not force upon you a rigid single rule of path. It leaves you to explore , implore and derive your own path to achieve self-realization. So if you disagree with what Radha Chandran says , you are feel free to. 

If you are quoting a set of belief , feel free to quote as you seem to be bend on taking reference to Quotes. Do quote your reference as you demand for references. It will be indeed a productive debate if you substantiate your belief with references from vedic. I love healthy discussions and I would like to see your references with your thoughts. 

The streams of sprituality are different and varied. Radha Chandran is talking about a stream which she has realized in her spiritual journey with help of various rishis. Even if my path could be different , I respect her for her thoughts , viewpoints and understanding of the spiritual nectar. Many would identify with her thoughts while many may not identify like you find. The basic essence of the spirituality does not hold an universal path. Path may vary, some people could walk in this path , some may find other path but people walk towards an ultimate destination in spiritual path. 

So if you don&#039;t agree with Radha Chandran&#039;s understanding of the concpet of God , It&#039;s your spirtual right to do so. Since you find yourself with fundamental differences clashing with the concepts mentioned here, i don&#039;t see any middle point over here. Good luck with your spiritual quest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Ambi</b>:<br />
I don&#8217;t think any one was judgemental here. I did mention one can agree to disagree and also mentioned in one my earlier comments that one&#8217;s analysis of the world can be different from another. So there is no question of anybody asking you to agree with the concepts mentioned here.</p>
<p>The beauty of Hinduism is it does not force upon you a rigid single rule of path. It leaves you to explore , implore and derive your own path to achieve self-realization. So if you disagree with what Radha Chandran says , you are feel free to. </p>
<p>If you are quoting a set of belief , feel free to quote as you seem to be bend on taking reference to Quotes. Do quote your reference as you demand for references. It will be indeed a productive debate if you substantiate your belief with references from vedic. I love healthy discussions and I would like to see your references with your thoughts. </p>
<p>The streams of sprituality are different and varied. Radha Chandran is talking about a stream which she has realized in her spiritual journey with help of various rishis. Even if my path could be different , I respect her for her thoughts , viewpoints and understanding of the spiritual nectar. Many would identify with her thoughts while many may not identify like you find. The basic essence of the spirituality does not hold an universal path. Path may vary, some people could walk in this path , some may find other path but people walk towards an ultimate destination in spiritual path. </p>
<p>So if you don&#8217;t agree with Radha Chandran&#8217;s understanding of the concpet of God , It&#8217;s your spirtual right to do so. Since you find yourself with fundamental differences clashing with the concepts mentioned here, i don&#8217;t see any middle point over here. Good luck with your spiritual quest.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambi</title>
		<link>http://www.gingerchai.com/2009/08/20/understanding-the-concept-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Ambi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LR/ Madam,

Do not be judgemental. You already did it once by terming as aggressive... I let it go. But with all due respect, I don&#039;t have to agree to whatever you say nor should you expect it!

I requested for references from the vedic scriptures which give information on this whole bio-magnetism, universal magnetism, force, shakti, spinning, gravity, alpha level, beta level and stuff like that I have been seeing in the three articles that have been put up. I was not given any. And &quot;I learnt it from my Gurus&quot; won&#039;t be sufficient, because I believe you are repeating what you learnt and hence my questions still hold good then.

In the responses, I see that the focus is jumping from some very commonly (ab)used phrases from the vedas, to teachings of tamil siddhas and then on to a phase where I am being questioned &quot;Don&#039;t you know this, Do you not feel this...?&quot;. 

So, as I said earlier, we differ in our fundamentals:

1) God is not some empty, formless space or some dumb energy, spinning and rolling about.

2) The soul (jivatma) is co-eternal with God and IS qualitatively same as God but quantitatively infinitesimal. The soul never had creation nor will it have destruction. The jiva and God(in his aspect as the brahman or paramatma or Bhagavan) are different and remain separate. 

3) As a result of 2), Man can *never* become God. That position is already filled up. So any attempt (meditation, karma, yoga, sadhana etc.) directed in trying to find one&#039;s own self as Godly is in vain.

4) The position of a Guru is an exalted one and is not to be considered as that of a mere guide to some &#039;higher&#039; state. 

5) I did not get the impression that you were familiar with at least some vedic scriptures... hence I don&#039;t see a point in quoting references for my standpoints.

Given all the above, I felt our view points would be irreconcilable... so I didn&#039;t find any value in elaborating it here.

I may lack the age or experience you have and there may be people who may find your articles on this topic to be very inspiring, ma&#039;am... but I did not find any authoritative source for the information you have given nor do I have any reason to believe this school of thought is bonafide. 

But, after all, this is your blog and your views... *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LR/ Madam,</p>
<p>Do not be judgemental. You already did it once by terming as aggressive&#8230; I let it go. But with all due respect, I don&#8217;t have to agree to whatever you say nor should you expect it!</p>
<p>I requested for references from the vedic scriptures which give information on this whole bio-magnetism, universal magnetism, force, shakti, spinning, gravity, alpha level, beta level and stuff like that I have been seeing in the three articles that have been put up. I was not given any. And &#8220;I learnt it from my Gurus&#8221; won&#8217;t be sufficient, because I believe you are repeating what you learnt and hence my questions still hold good then.</p>
<p>In the responses, I see that the focus is jumping from some very commonly (ab)used phrases from the vedas, to teachings of tamil siddhas and then on to a phase where I am being questioned &#8220;Don&#8217;t you know this, Do you not feel this&#8230;?&#8221;. </p>
<p>So, as I said earlier, we differ in our fundamentals:</p>
<p>1) God is not some empty, formless space or some dumb energy, spinning and rolling about.</p>
<p>2) The soul (jivatma) is co-eternal with God and IS qualitatively same as God but quantitatively infinitesimal. The soul never had creation nor will it have destruction. The jiva and God(in his aspect as the brahman or paramatma or Bhagavan) are different and remain separate. </p>
<p>3) As a result of 2), Man can *never* become God. That position is already filled up. So any attempt (meditation, karma, yoga, sadhana etc.) directed in trying to find one&#8217;s own self as Godly is in vain.</p>
<p>4) The position of a Guru is an exalted one and is not to be considered as that of a mere guide to some &#8216;higher&#8217; state. </p>
<p>5) I did not get the impression that you were familiar with at least some vedic scriptures&#8230; hence I don&#8217;t see a point in quoting references for my standpoints.</p>
<p>Given all the above, I felt our view points would be irreconcilable&#8230; so I didn&#8217;t find any value in elaborating it here.</p>
<p>I may lack the age or experience you have and there may be people who may find your articles on this topic to be very inspiring, ma&#8217;am&#8230; but I did not find any authoritative source for the information you have given nor do I have any reason to believe this school of thought is bonafide. </p>
<p>But, after all, this is your blog and your views&#8230; *shrug*</p>
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